Recording with Peavey Mixers

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Re: Recording with Peavey Mixers

Post by oligasdoi » Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:40 am

I bought the PV14 USB mixer the other day and its just been delivered, i opened it up and noticed there was no phantom power button for each channel, theres just 1 button to activate phantom power for all the channels, now this is a bit of a problem for someone who records bands because i need to use condenser and dynamic microphones at the same time. it doesn't say this on any website it just says +48v phantom power. Altho it is a great desk this is quite a big flaw for me.

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Re: Recording with Peavey Mixers

Post by SemperFiSound » Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:58 am

Most dynamic microphones will tolerate phantom power. If the mic was manufactured in this century, you will be fine.
Some - not all - but some older microphones might have issues.

Let us know what mics you use so we can better help.
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Re: Recording with Peavey Mixers

Post by ctclark1 » Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:48 am

Precisely what Steve said...

Part of the reason that the term "Phantom power" was used is because its basically invisible to properly balanced microphones that don't need it. It was originally used to distinguish itself from an earlier form of powering condenser microphones, which would damage dynamic microphones. Since that method of powering mics is no longer in use in sound reinforcement (occasionally it is still used in the film industry, but even that is disappearing), basically any +48V (or +15V on some mixers) source nowadays is considered safe for dynamics, as long as the lines are properly balanced from end to end.
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Re: Recording with Peavey Mixers

Post by oligasdoi » Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:50 am

do you think SM57s, PG52, PG58s and PG58s would be ok?

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Re: Recording with Peavey Mixers

Post by SemperFiSound » Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:18 pm

oligasdoi wrote:do you think SM57s, PG52, PG58s and PG58s would be ok?
Yes, I think they will be fine...but to be Shure, contact the manufacturer or check the spec sheets online.

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Re: Recording with Peavey Mixers

Post by ctclark1 » Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:53 pm

SemperFiSound wrote:but to be Shure, contact the manufacturer
Nice.

Yes, I'm fairly certain (nay, near positive) all of those would be ok. Rare is the microphone that won't be able to handle phantom power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_power for an idea of how phantom power works.
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Re: Recording with Peavey Mixers

Post by T60player2 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:59 pm

Marty McCann wrote:Johnny wrote:

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The effects are just about useless unless you only want to use one at a time.
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Uh, what outboard effects processor allows you to have more than one Effect, if it is a single unit?

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You can go into output proccessing and cut everything off and CPU usage is still to high to do anything with.
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That is becauae the CODEX is converting the signal analog to digital at all times for the USB interface.

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And as far as usb to computor recording whch is why I baught this board is very dissapoint because no where does it say you only get a left and right track. Peaveys responce was hey we never said it would muti track. Very close to false advertising to me.
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Wait a minute, do you not think we would have advertised in large bold print that it could perform Multi-Track Recordings? It is a simple two track and that is it. It was not presented as any thing other. Now if the customer has visions of recording a CD project with this mixer, then they are having just that "visions."

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I am a big peavey fan and own more peavey guitars amps and cabs than I can type here ,never have I felt so ripped off about any of Peavey other products.
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We appreciate you as a valued customer.
Daggone, Marty McCann - I remember years ago when you came to West Lafayette, IN to the old Sheraton hotel to do a sound reinforcement seminar which was set up by the (no longer existing) Patterson Music. That was great! You had the big tri-amped setup with ......... oh, what was it, an FH1 and SP1 and whatever else. Excellent seminar; I feel like I learned a lot from that including an emphasis on QUALITY.

I have to agree with what you said about *mixers not being built for multitrack recording*. I bought my PV20USB with no illusions about that; a mixer MIXES and a recorder RECORDS. For my multitrack recordings I have a TASCAM 2488neo (recently seems to have been replaced with the DP24, which looks about the same thing but without the hard drive and using SD cards instead; also might have a color LCD panel on it - haven't looked that close) which gives me 24 inputs and something like a couple hundred "virtual" tracks that can store alternate takes and so on in the background.

I have a sound gig coming up where I am mixing with (presumably) the PV20USB for live with some mics and some acoustic/electric guitars and I DO want to record this as individual tracks. Having just bought the PV20USB I need to sit down and get acquainted with it - I suspect that I can probably use the AUX SENDS or whatever is actually on it to take each channel off to the 2488neo.

But I *DO* have to agree with some comments from other members here about documentation. The nearly non-existent manual for the PV20USB is virtually useless.

80 pages, according to the downloadable PDF from the website. Out of that, I have:

front cover
4 pages of safety and noise filter (which wasn't in my package) information
[what the heck actually *IS* supposed to be in the package?]
1 page "features"
6 pages "roadmap" which granted, helps to be able to find stuff
1 page block diagram
2 pages "specs"
3 pages horizontal lines, presumably (but not even listed) for "notes"
3 pages warranty stuff (I registered it on-line)

Everything else was non-english foreign language stuff and truthfully, the people who read in those languages probably are getting slightly LESS than I got in English. Certainly meaning no disrespect to them, I would have rather had 80 pages in English INCLUDING how the heck to use the thing properly. (I wouldn't be surprised if the non-english readers feel the same way about their manuals, they don't need stuff they can't read)

This manual is a total disappointment and frankly, shockingly bad. I've been a Peavey customer since 1978 starting with a Peavey Backstage30 guitar amp and up to a recent purchase of not only this mixer but also a Vypyr30 head-only guitar amp with other stuff inbetween. Everything else has been at LEAST "adequate" if not far better. The Vypyr30 manual is great, very detailed and clearly was written by somebody with a sense of humor - to be fair, I will pay a compliment to Peavey for that one.

OK - so the Vypyr30 manual could be considered roughly in the same time frame as the PV20USB manual; same company; etc. How can one be so good and the other so BAD?

There's a lot of other gear I would have liked to have bought from Peavey. I have ONE PV260 PA amp and for a low powered and not terribly expensive amp it's great. It's also GONE from the product lineup and nothing takes its place. Well, for lower powered amps (I'd really rather not connect a KW amp to a 100 watt speaker.......an accidental "cranking" would probably send speaker parts all over the room, and throwing flaming shrapnel into the audience is NOT what I call a professional job) I've had to go to another manufacturer. I will also be using my Bose L1 system.........again, would that Peavey made a comparably simple yet extraordinarily effective portable PA system like that and loaded with features to boot.

I always look for Peavey FIRST. And I'd buy "it" if it was there, but another aspect of this is that trying to find a dealer that actually HAS something in stock is another issue. It's very hit and miss, lately seeming more "miss" than "hit".

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Re: Recording with Peavey Mixers

Post by T60player2 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:19 pm

ctclark1 wrote:
SemperFiSound wrote:but to be Shure, contact the manufacturer
Nice.

Yes, I'm fairly certain (nay, near positive) all of those would be ok. Rare is the microphone that won't be able to handle phantom power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_power for an idea of how phantom power works.
Another option - I can only speak about my AudioTechnica AT2020 and well, AT generally but I got a standalone phantom power supply from AT. That way, I can leave a mixer or digital recorder's phantom power OFF but still use that AT2020 if I want without having to worry about roasting a non-powered mic. I am pretty sure that you can find a TON of these things from reputable manufacturers, unless they've all dropped them in the last few years.

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Re: Recording with Peavey Mixers

Post by Archer400 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:03 am

Hi I have a pv10 and I used to record to my computer using the control room out, I got a a really nice dual (left and right channel) output. and it was mixed and sounded pretty good. At least for what I needed. Now when I try I get distortion becasue my the music is not being mixed with the mics. When I try and use the headphone volume control to control the out put to the computer, only the mics are controlled the music is not controlled in the control room out anymore and is horibbly distorted. I can change the volume of the outputs of the mics or instruments however.
THis was not the case, when I use to do this over a year ago.
I think everything is working on the mixer board and am hoping I have a setting incorrect or something.
I have tried everything I know to try and make this work like it did before. I am using line out of my computer to a y RCA that has 1/4 inch adapters going to the 1/4 in stero inputs and the outputs from the control room back to my line in of my computer.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, As I am at a loss right now as to why this is occurring.

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Re: Recording with Peavey Mixers

Post by T60player2 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:33 pm

I had previously written:

I have a sound gig coming up where I am mixing with (presumably) the PV20USB for live with some mics and some acoustic/electric guitars and I DO want to record this as individual tracks. Having just bought the PV20USB I need to sit down and get acquainted with it - I suspect that I can probably use the AUX SENDS or whatever is actually on it to take each channel off to the 2488neo.
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NO. I was thinking of the inserts, and THAT didn't work particularly well when tested pre-show. The inserts are UNbalanced and the 2488 really wants to see balanced inputs; the result when I
tried plugging in the unbalanced line was a bunch of noise and all the levels knocked out of whack.
More important, the 2488 has no individual returns to send BACK to the INSERT jack.

However, a solution was found in the ART S8 signal splitter. I ran my snake box to that, and then
the direct outputs to the PV20 for the live FOH mix and the transformer outputs to the 2488 (as recommended in the S8's poop sheet) and had good signal levels and good sound. The S8 is a passive splitter and I was worried about loss of signal level but whatever loss there might have been was so low I frankly didn't notice it. The unit has individual pad switches for each channel in case you've got something "hot" coming in plus you can do a ground lift if needed. Nice box !!!

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Re: Recording with Peavey Mixers

Post by SemperFiSound » Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:26 am

Good info Duane! Thanks for posting.

That is a common situation: how do I record individual channels, for a possible mix down later?
I have the 2488 also, but the "Mk 1/ Mod 0" version.

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Re: Recording with Peavey Mixers

Post by T60player2 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:15 pm

SemperFiSound wrote:Good info Duane! Thanks for posting.

That is a common situation: how do I record individual channels, for a possible mix down later?
I have the 2488 also, but the "Mk 1/ Mod 0" version.

Cheers,
Steve
Don't recall if you're out on the TASCAM forums or not, but wondered if you ever took a look at the HGR video adapter? If you haven't seen it it looks like a very simple and elegant way to tap the video signals for the LCD display and take them external as VGA so you can hook up a full size monitor. Several people have done it, and say that it works great - you can actually SEE what you're doing. :lol:

http://www.hgr2488.co.uk/

is their website and I am pretty sure there is a YouTube vid for it as well (might be accessible from the site, don't recall). I'm thinking about going this route myself.

I also would like to swap in the 160gig hard drive but trying to find that Seagate Barracuda is getting to be a problem. I *had* one ordered from a vendor, but they were nice enough to call me on the phone and said they screwed up and in fact didn't have any new ones but only refurbs (as opposed to just shipping it out and not bothering to tell me, which some people try and pull off). I cancelled the order as I am not too keen on refurbed HDD's. Much like rebuilt toner cartridges for laser printers. I used to do repairs on laser printers, and saw way too many rebuilds fail in some benign manner...........and a few that simply uncorked and spewed toner everywhere. Learned the hard way that such a printer may NEVER work correctly again because that fine powder gets into switches, gears even otherwise sealed bearings. You're better off to just junk the printer because by the time you put in the *labor money alone* to try and clean it out, you've spent enough money to do exactly that - buy a new printer. Other people can take that chance if they want, my printer never sees anything but brand new toner carts.

(My 2488neo has an 80GB drive in it which was factory spec and I'm thinking earlier ones like yours maybe had 40GB ???? As I recall, you can have 32GB partitions max plus you have a smaller partition that is more of a boot thing which I think was maybe 8 GB. So an 80GB drive you get 2 of the larger partitions while the 160GB drive gives you 4. Adds some flexibility not to mention storing more recordings. :lol: From my recollection, that's as high as you can go so I'm guessing that the processor and/or firmware might be only 16 bit - talking about data here not digital audio specs - which would place a limit on how much it could access. I don't have the numbers right in front of me but the show I ran my 2488neo on last weekend with all 8 simultaneous record channels going
went about 1.5 hours and it all fit into one of the 32GB partitions with some time to spare. The display, to my delight and surprise, told me how much total time I had and changed with each channel I added to the assignment map. 8 channels recording at 24 bit resolution was either 114 or 141 minutes max, again my recollection is off with some numbers flipped. :lol:

Oh, don't know if you've run into this issue before but I had to make an emergency run to a nearby GC and thankful it was not far away. On the 8 inputs, 4 of them have the combined 1/4 and XLR input connector but the second 4 are 1/4"TRS ONLY. I had XLR cables, and had grabbed 4 adapters. Great idea, just one snag - the physical space between the 1/4" sockets wasn't far enough apart to allow the 4 adapters to fit side-by-side. Had to run out and get cables that were XLR on the other end and 1/4"TRS on the 2488 end which worked just fine. I don't know why TASCAM didn't use the combo connectors on all 8 inputs OR space those 4 1/4" ones a bit farther apart..........just using the combo on all 8 would have made the most sense.)

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Re: Recording with Peavey Mixers

Post by israelvega2000 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:32 pm

After a long time trying to record the sound with my peavey fx 32. I could do it. Buy this usb flash http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005HN ... UTF8&psc=1
You have to format it as (fat), not as (FAT32), and the mixer is ready to recognise the usb memory.

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Re: Recording with Peavey Mixers

Post by SemperFiSound » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:07 pm

Duane,
When I first setup my recording "snake" from the mixer to the 2488, I recognized that XLR->1/4" spacing issue on the 2488 and fortunately I have a VERY well stocked patch cable gig bag. I built a temp snake onthe spot and then later bought some dedicate4d cabling for that recording snake.

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Re: Recording with Peavey Mixers

Post by jim h » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:59 pm

israelvega2000 wrote:After a long time trying to record the sound with my peavey fx 32. I could do it. Buy this usb flash http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005HN ... UTF8&psc=1
You have to format it as (fat), not as (FAT32), and the mixer is ready to recognise the usb memory.

What version of firmware is on your mixer?

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