Basic 112 External Speaker

[lastshooter]

All depends, some may already own the Basic 112 and wanting to upgrade for cheap. 100 bucks for a really nice sounding practice amp compared to 600.00 for one of comparable sound. While many are in the 2 to 3 hundred range are anemic imo.
My neighbor has a Fender Rumble that this Peavey destroys and again for half the price. I paid 60 bucks for the amp that sat in a barn for 20 years. Granted caps can leak just sitting all that time. However its runs just fine while I can smell cap leak at 10 feet
160.00 and I’m whistling Dixie.

It’s a thin line between combo and a real rig too. Should I ever find the need to gig it will be one hella set up.

Also, I practice rhythm/lead guitar in the morning and bass in the afternoons which can be pricey all together. My Fender Mustang GTX 100 modeling amp handles that along with a LP Junior after 700.00 in upgrades on it. My E0 bass seriously needs total hardware upgrades which all parts have been ordered at 700.00 as well including luthier labor. Frigging neck dive from hell and anemic pickup along with those horrible bridges. Not to mention a defective output jack. Toss in more for a push pull and tone pots lol.

As you can see economics is an issue. It’s either 100.00 for a happy practice amp or 2 or 3 thousand for a real rig. Go big or stay home imo.

[studiodtk5]

I am sure the major difference that you are hearing in the volume increase is the sensitivity of the Weber speaker over the stock.
I have not looked specifically at these speakers for comparison, but it’s not unheard of for a stock speaker to be in the 80-90 dB/W range with a high quality replacement in the 100-110 dB/W range. You will hear that change even at the same impedance.
That can make a 25W amp sound as loud as a 100W amp.

Good chance that if you would have went to a Peavey Black Widow, you would have experienced similar results related to the volume level. Tonal I have no idea the difference between a Black Widow and a Weber.
Weber makes great speakers, I have a few myself and have always been impressed.

[lastshooter]

Yes it’s entirely subjective as to what one hears vs brand/type of speaker etc. vs. economics.
I researched several types including the Black Widow, Eminence, etc.
First, I did not want an external speaker @ 8 ohms to reach 4 ohms to obtain the additional 20 watts. Economically was just not practical for a 23 year old cheap amp to begin with that’s only for practice and to play along with my smallPA system. The original Eminence made for Peavey that’s “suitable for bass” did not set well for me. Paper regardless of brand deteriorates and what occurred in this particular instance.
Weber is a reputable speaker and given this one was a B grade that simply had scratches on the back label for 100 bucks and at 4 ohms was in my case an excellent option. Others were not even in this price range.

I get the extra wattage a great sounding speaker with all the head room volume wise I will ever need all for 160.00 including 60 bucks for the amp. Which looks and sounds better than brand new lol

Edit: Added “better than”

[Bassguitarist1985]

Well lastshooter, I got the bug!

I went ahead and bought an 8 ohm Eminence DeltaLite 2512 Neo Series II. Still 50W but the tone is far more clear with the EQ Flat. Weight stock is 44.8lb. With the Neo it brings it down to 37.6lb.

I fashioned up a piece of wood to install a panel input jack using the existing holes that held the amp section. The speaker is 250W RMS, but with the small ~1.7cu/ft box I won't get the full power, more like 175W, but it's a big improvement. The port in the back is 4" diameter by 4.5" deep. It was made that way for a lower box tuning frequency given the wattage, but now it chuffs a bit at higher power. A contact of mine who designs speaker boxes has software to match T/S parameters. The Deltalite is a good match for the Basic 112, but suggested trying a 3" deep port instead of 4.5" to get a higher box tuning. That's the last modification I'm going to try. I was able to save the original.

So far as a standalone cabinet it sounds much better and more powerful with an external amp with some weight savings. The speaker was $194 bucks so almost a dollar a watt increase.